Friday, August 22, 2008

In 2002, FEMA said WTC 7 collapsed because the diesel fuel fed the fire, now NIST says otherwise

FEMA issued a report back in 2002 on WTC 7 that said it was the diesel fed fire that caused the collapse. Now, NIST has issued a report that says the diesel in WTC 7 didn't help the fire enough to cause a collapse, it was just the contents of the building, like paper and furniture caused all the heat that caused the collapse.

Don't try to bullshit an old firefighter, NIST, you've told the latest whopper about 9/11. The Bush/Cheney cabal have told so many lies about 9/11, they can no longer keep the lies straight.

Which lie are they going to stick with?

A NATION CHALLENGED: GROUND ZERO; Burning Diesel Is Cited in Fall Of 3rd Tower

Published: March 2, 2002

Massive structural beams that functioned as a sort of bridge to hold up the 47-story skyscraper known as 7 World Trade Center were compromised in a disastrous blaze fed by diesel fuel, leading to the building's collapse on Sept. 11, investigators have concluded in a preliminary report.

The tower was set on fire by debris from the twin towers and burned for about seven hours before collapsing in the late afternoon under previously unexplained circumstances. The analysis of its collapse is one of the first detailed findings by a team of engineers organized by the Federal Emergency Management Agency and the American Society of Civil Engineers to understand the fate of all the buildings around the site.

As much as 42,000 gallons of diesel fuel was stored near ground level in the tower and ran in pipes up to smaller tanks and emergency generators for Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani's command center, the Secret Service's office and other tenants.

Investigators have determined that the burning fuel apparently undermined what is known as a transfer truss. The trusses, a series of steel beams that allowed the skyscraper to be built atop multistory electricity transformers, were critical to the structural integrity of the building and ran near the smaller diesel tanks.

Now, NIST is saying:

The engineers also examined whether diesel fuel tanks in the building - to power the mayor's emergency operations center and other government offices - might have been a fuel source that caused the collapse. The investigators determined, partly on the basis of computer models and videos of smoke coming from the tower, that the heat generated from any fuel-fed fires would not have been enough to cause the collapse.


  1. Even though there are things on this blog I dont agree with------that building seven was definitely "pulled" in the words of Larry Silversteen. That looked precisely like a demolition---and fell at free fall speed. It was not hit by a goddam airplane. There was no jet fuel there. It was a big, fat building. No way a few fires (where the fuck were the sprinkler systems?????!!!!!!) made that building collapse all at once like that.

    The thing is, is that once you accept building 7 was pulled...........then you have to rationalize that all three buildings were pulled. The government didn't wait and take the two airplane hits and disabused themselves of a third so Silversteen could clean house on an insurance policy. One is left to conclude that the whole fucking "attack" was either expected or even planned behind the scenes----with the stooge-ass-stupid hijackers thinking they pulled off something big when they really were helped by an invisible hand all along.

    Notice the neo-cons are spinning history as it happens in Georgia? They are blaming Russia for attacking Georgia, but thats not what happened. They are lying about history immediately as its made. You have to have a lot of influence in the media to pull off driving a meme like that in live time, and not using revisionist history two years down the line when everybody has forgotten.

    The best way to destroy neoconservatism is to not buy National Review, The Weekly Standard, turn off Clear Channel One Radio, and for heaven's sakes go back to watching CNN or CNBC or one of the other networks other than Fox. Not looking at any of Murdochs other publications (Wall Street Journal or tabloid toilet paper) also would help bankrupt the fount of their money. They have to be defeated or we will be in a state of eternal war while they impliment their vision of the world on the rest of the earth over the next 100 years through wars of "liberation" and "democracy".

    They can be defunded if people will stick together though.

  2. I agree. If we don't indict, arrest, send to trial and convict the neocons and Zionists like Wolfowitz, Perle, Cheney, Rice, etc. that sold this country a pack of lies designed to get America fighting in a war for Israel in Iraq, then we'll be doomed to fighting war after war for Israel, all under the pretense of fighting terrorism.

    And our country will implode financially, from bearing the costs of those wars.

    That implosion will make the Great Depression look like child's play.

  3. Liberation Movement Must Feature, Be Consistent With, New "Active Historical Force"
    (Apollonian, 23 Aug 08)

    WTC-7 was obvious, classic controlled demo, building falling at free-fall speed, not hit by plane, etc.--evidence is overwhelming.

    Thus working hyposthesis MUST necessarily be (for science) controlled demo, and now contras (who work for Judeo-conspiratorial liars and disinfo agents) must PROVE it wasn't controlled demo which they fail signally, pathetically alleging, for example, there were no explosion sounds, etc., which is patently against overwhelming evidence, even recorded audially and on video.

    So question now is what to do, exactly, specifically.

    And note there's (at least) one easy thing basically: remember that original Christianity was inspired by quest for TRUTH against organized, conspiratorial LIES, Christ heroic exemplar.

    And remember then same people and conspirators behind 9-11 are against this Christianity--so they go together.

    Otherwise LIES are going to kill our culture/civilization (the good part(s)) unless we get something substantial going as in way of a "movement," something which can achieve and/or gain momentum without too much trouble or contrivance, in natural manner, much as possible.

    For if one looks at still-working hist. cycle of "Decline of the West," by Oswald Spengler, the ACTIVE FORCE of this epoch is and has been neo-Pelagian hereticalism of Rousseau, Kant, and Eng. Utilitarians featuring "higher truth" of "good-evil"--a "good" which actually makes and becomes its own truth and reality.

    So the West, in order to re-surge, to COUNTER present disastrous "active force" (of Spenglerian "Decline..."), must activate a stronger, alternative force of its own--which I submit must be HONESTY which sets a new standard for any "morality," and which then will over-rule present neo-Pelagian hereticalism (of child's "good-evil").

    So the resurgent Christianity then, vehicle of new "active force," must take a certain distinct form, this being ANTI-SEMITISM, and isn't it interesting this is what Christianity was meant to be fm the beginning (anti-Talmud, as Gosp. MARK 7:1-13)?

    It's just people must remember, once again, and/or be reminded, real Christianity features TRUTH against lies--NOT child's "good vs. evil," which latter dichotomy is subjective.

    For note Jews, "neo-cons," dual-loyalists, zionists, and their gentile lackeys aren't "evil"--as they're really just a parasitic disease-of-opportunity taking advantage of over-populated suckers who keep falling for the same stupid thing, hereticalism and "good-evil" of idiot children. Jews, et al., aren't "evil" anymore than Typhus is evil.

    CONCLUSION: Thus, u see, our task is to "grow" a movement upon same basis as people who are impressed with sheer evidence of WTC-7; thus we feature that necessary ADULT HONESTY--against childish suckers' "good-evil" hereticalism, this hereticalism which renders them such pathetic victims. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian


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