Thursday, September 11, 2008

Welcome to the Church of Palintology

There's one crazy thing about a lot of crazy people...They don't know that they're crazy.

If these jokers had been around in the 17th Century, the first thing to happen is that the locals would have tossed them in jail, then the town elders would meet to decide whether that person was just plain nuts or possessed.

If they decided he/she was possessed, then it would have been to the stake for burning.

Palin's Brand of Religion is Way Scarier Than Jerry Falwell's

Simply saying that Palin is "an evangelical Christian" doesn't do her justice. She's part of the cult-like "Toronto Blessing/Brownsville Revival" movement that burst on the scene in the 1990s. This is the Pentecostal sect where people bark like dogs, flop on the floor like dying fish, and jerk about in epileptic fits. This movement is by-and-large synonymous with "Dominionism" or "Kingdow Now" theology, which says that this ilk of Christian is supposed to take over all the power centers in society before the Rapture occurs. One of the common prophecies uttered by this movement's leaders is that God "will make us the head and not the tail."

There are a lot of videos on YouTube about this movement and Palin's connection to it. Most evangelical Christians, even though they're politically conservative, are revolted by the Toronto Blessing movement. Make sure that every evangelical Christian you know sees these vids. For those who want to make a difference in swing states, I recommend approaching evangelical pastors (especially Baptists and other non-pentecostals) and showing them these vids and other material about Palin's involvement in the radical wing of the Assemblies of God. Palin is too extreme and lunatic even for most evangelicals, and they need to be made aware of the fact that she isn't simply "an evangelical Christian."



4 comments:

  1. Greg,

    I visit your blog frequently, and agree with many of your posts regarding Zionism, but I think you're swinging your broadsword a bit wide on this topic.

    Like Palin, I've been a Pentecostal for 30 years (after being raised Roman Catholic for 18 years), and I can assure you that most Pentecostals are not the Toronto Blessing/Dominion Theology/Latter Rain extremists people assume we are. MOF, I teach against this type of nonsense, because I consider it counterfeit Pentecost. Many of the elders and senior members in our ranks remember the "Latter Rain Movement" as a spiritual perversion which damaged many lives. And I consider Kenny Copeland to be a false prophet who perverts the gospel into a kind of presumptuous materialism.

    Yes, our worship is demonstrative. We clap and raise our hands and praise God for his blessings. Sometimes we dance in the aisles because we're happy (Oh my, how dangerous). If you come from a dead, boring mainstream church background, like I did, this probably looks strange at first. But when you feel God's Spirit moving, it's a wonderful, free feeling, coupled with "decency and order" as taught in Scripture. It's really quite wonderful, but you have to experience it to understand it. If people can get crazy and excited over a sporting event, why can't Christians get excited about worshipping the living God? Who said church has to be boring?

    Speaking in tongues? Yes, we do that -- as the Spirit gives utterance. So did the apostles and disciples in the book of Acts. The tongues are simply other languages not inherently known by the speaker. It's supernatural. They were also considered publicly drunk by the other Jews in Jerusalem because of their behavior. This is how the New Testament church began.

    But getting people to laugh while tickling them, or making them recite ridiculous tongue-twisters and animal noises, are aberrations and counterfeit to the real thing. Of course, to you, this probably sounds like the pot calling the kettle black.

    We also teach our children to respect and obey their parents, parents to be responsible for their children, and for Christians to be peaceful, law-abiding citizens who pay their taxes. I also believe in the separation of church and state as defined by the 1st amendment.

    Unlike Palin however, I also believe Israel has been replaced by the church as the "chosen people". Therefore I oppose the U.S. giving Israel everything it wants and doing their dirty work for them in the M.E. Israel's right to the land ended in 70 AD when the Romans kicked them out because they rejected Jesus as their messiah. I've also opposed the wars in Afghanistan, Iraq and the upcoming mess with Iran. The job of the church is preaching the gospel.

    You can read more about this at: http://www.mars-hill.info/israelpost.html

    The Republic-CANT's are using Palin as the born-again mannequin to try to get my vote, but I'm not buying it. The NeoCons are firmly in charge. I wish Palin had just told McCain & Co. to get lost and continue as Governor of Alaska. I was voting for Ron Paul, but now I'm going for a 3rd party candidate.

    Unfortunately, when I visit many of the independent or liberal-progressive sites like ICH (and yours), the tendency is for people like me to get tossed into the "Religious Right" scrap bucket because it's too difficult for people to understand the theological complexity that exists in evangelical Christendom.

    John 16:1,2
    These things have I spoken unto you, that ye should not be offended.
    They shall put you out of the synagogues (socially ostracized by traditional mainstream religion): yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.


    Best regards

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  2. I have no problem with people seeking a god or a higher power or whatever.

    It's when some of those same people seek to gain political office by using that religion that I start to worry, since that means getting hold of the presidency and our nukes.

    And make no mistake about it, the evangelicals/pentecostals are a very potent political block in the US, with something like 70 million in the US alone and they DO vote.

    Which is their right and duty, but it's what they want to do afterwards that makes people nervous.

    They pray and hope for a nuclear Armageddon, so that their Jesus will come to them in the Rapture.

    BTW, why isn't the Rapture mentioned anywhere in the KJV of the bible?

    But the Beatitudes are, but I don't hear many preachers these days saying to feed the hungry, shelter the homeless and minister to the sick.

    Why?

    Is that too boring and does it get in the way of Rapture theology?

    I also was raised a Catholic and after finding no answers there, attended a AG Pentecostal church for awhile, where they rolled on the floor and spoke in tongues.

    Until I had a falling out with the preacher when I asked him where all the money went to.

    He got visibly angry and told me it was none of my business what god does with his money.

    OK.

    Maybe the Evangelical movement is like the US government, both have been taken over by nefarioius groups who have their own agenda.

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  3. I have no problem with people seeking a god or a higher power or whatever.
    It's when some of those same people seek to gain political office by using that religion that I start to worry, since that means getting hold of the presidency and our nukes.


    I agree. I think that's what Jesus alluded to when he warned us about the Leaven of Herod (Mark 8:15). Herod was a political leader who was nominally Jewish (at least when the Jews were around), but a closet Roman pagan. Herod the Great spent 46 years rebuilding the temple in Jerusalem (my, what a religious man!), but sought to kill Jesus when he was born. I think there's a warning in that for Christians today.

    His son Herod Antipater, the Tetrarch of Galilee, was no better. The Bible says:

    "For Herod feared John, knowing that he was a just man and an holy, and observed him; and when he heard him, he did many things, and heard him gladly."

    But as soon a John's preaching got a little to close to Herod's lifestyle, his social and political connections compelled him to have John beheaded. (Mark 6:16-27)

    The Republican party follows this pattern today. McCain is not as anti-abortion as Palin, and Dick Cheney has publicly supported gay marriage because his daughter is a lesbian. But Christians still think only the liberals are evil.

    To loosely quote a fellow minister: "Just because something's conservative, doesn't mean it's godly."

    And make no mistake about it, the evangelicals/pentecostals are a very potent political block in the US, with something like 70 million in the US alone and they DO vote.

    Yup, that's why the Christian bookstores are filled with books venerating Republican "saints" like Bush, Condi Rice and Alberto Gonzalez. That's why Bush made his famous remark about Jesus during the 2000 campaign and why Palin's on the ticket with McCain. Gotta keep those useful idiot Christians happy.

    BTW, why isn't the Rapture mentioned anywhere in the KJV of the bible?

    It is, but not using the word "Rapture". The event is described in 1 Thess 4:15-17.

    For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
    For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
    Then we which are alive and remain shall be CAUGHT UP together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.


    The phrase "caught up" (v17) in the Latin Bible (Vulgate) is "rapiemur", which somehow got transliterated into English as "rapture". Whether the word rapture is accurate or not, the church is going to be caught up to meet the Lord in the air at the coming (parousia) of the Lord.

    The problem is that certain doctrines like pre-tribulationism (pre-trib) put the rapture ahead of the parousia by seven years, creating a 7 year space in which the Jewish people are supposedly restored by God as his chosen people to do some kind of post-church age salvation... etc., etc.
    This is the de-facto prophecy doctrine of most evangelical churches, and explains why these folks are so supportive of Israel, but I don't agree with this particular doctrine.

    But the Beatitudes are, but I don't hear many preachers these days saying to feed the hungry, shelter the homeless and minister to the sick. Why? Is that too boring and does it get in the way of Rapture theology?

    There are preachers and churches who preach and do this, but it varies with the congregation. It also requires commitment, dedication, sacrifice and money.

    Prophecy conferences, on the other hand, can draw big crowds and bring in the big offerings.

    I also was raised a Catholic and after finding no answers there, attended a AG Pentecostal church for awhile, where they rolled on the floor and spoke in tongues.
    Until I had a falling out with the preacher when I asked him where all the money went to.
    He got visibly angry and told me it was none of my business what god does with his money.


    I understand your feelings. Years ago, a former pastor of mine was robbing our church. Most of the money went into his IRAs (he had several). The mortgage and other church bills never got paid. When our building was threatened with foreclosure, we had a business meeting and voted him out. That caused a pretty nasty split. At times like that, we have to keep our eyes on Jesus because he never fails us even though others do.

    Maybe the Evangelical movement is like the US government, both have been taken over by nefarioius groups who have their own agenda.

    Amen. And I think the most dominant group today are Zionists.

    Gal 2:4
    And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:

    Happy Friday!

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  4. Yes, the Zionists have taken over part of the evangelical movement, using people like John Hagee who in turn uses his flock to instill fear about the End Times and how they must adore, if not worship, Israel, to make the prophecy's come true.

    That's a neat little trick Hagee pulled, getting his flock to basically worship Israel.

    It's been awhile since I've been to church, but I still remember that worshipping false idols was a big NO-NO.

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